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Bobvillas  3 stars
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Kjarhall posted:

Bobvillas posted:

secularists are wrong when they ask believers to leave their religion at the door before entering into the public square. Frederick Douglas, Abraham Lincoln, Williams Jennings Bryant, Dorothy Day, Martin Luther King - indeed, the majority of great reformers in American history - were not only motivated by faith, but repeatedly used religious language to argue for their cause.



Only two of those people ever ran for public office. The rest are irrelevant to the topic. And times were different for those two, no ones going to care about a politician bringing his religion into the conversation when 99% of the population is part of his religion.



To say that men and women should not inject their "personal morality" into public policy debates is a practical absurdity. Our law is by definition a codification of morality, much of it grounded in the Judeo-Christian tradition.

Moreover, if progressives shed some of these biases, we might recognize some overlapping values that both religious and secular people share when it comes to the moral and material direction of our country.

 

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Bobvillas  3 stars
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Yukishiro1 posted:

I don't mind people using biblical language to support humanist policies. There's some good stuff in the bible.

People shouldn't have to ignore their religion in the public sphere but by the same token when you bring it in you can't get all butthurt when someone questions it. "The bible says so!" is not an argument ender and if you make that argument you can't get all offended when someone tells you you're an idiot. RWNs tend to want it both ways. They want to both be able to legislate based on religious texts and also enjoy immunity from anyone questinoing their beliefs because it's religion and that's out of bounds to attack because of the 1st amendment1!!111 orsomethe.



Democracy demands that the religiously motivated translate their concerns into universal, rather than religion-specific, values.

It requires that their proposals be subject to argument, and amenable to reason.

I may be opposed to abortion for religious reasons, but if I seek to pass a law banning the practice, I cannot simply point to the teachings of my church or evoke God's will.

I have to explain why abortion violates some principle that is accessible to people of all faiths, including those with no faith at all.

Now this is going to be difficult for some who believe in the inerrancy of the Bible, as many evangelicals do. But in a pluralistic democracy, we have no choice.

Politics depends on our ability to persuade each other of common aims based on a common reality.

 

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Bobvillas posted:

Our law is by definition a codification of morality, much of it grounded in the Judeo-Christian tradition.

Irony at it's finest...

 

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Bobvillas  3 stars
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reesescups posted:

Bobvillas posted:

Our law is by definition a codification of morality, much of it grounded in the Judeo-Christian tradition.

Irony at it's finest...



You don't think that is accurate?

I am open to other definitions.

 

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