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Tai-Daishar_MT  2 stars
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None of the idiots that supported Obamacare understood it's game breaking expense then and certainly won't bother trying now, it's all about partisanship BS and to hell with whether it can be paid for.

 

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Arc_DT  2 stars
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Posts: 363
Registered: 2002-5-28 08:25:51
Aerlinthian posted:

Obummercare = unfunded liabilities to the tune of $17 TRILLION DOLLARS.




http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/30/another-17-trillion-surprise-found-in-obamacare/





They had to go out 75 years to get a figure that high... shenanigans, good sir, shenanigans. The proper window is either an average annual or a ten year window.

 

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Aerlinthian  4 stars
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Registered: 2001-5-7 23:53:38
Arc_DT posted:

They had to go out 75 years to get a figure that high... shenanigans, good sir, shenanigans. The proper window is either an average annual or a ten year window.



Article posted:

The $17 trillion in extra promises was revealed by an analysis of the law’s long-term requirements. The additional obligations, when combined with existing Medicare and Medicaid funding shortfalls, leave taxpayers on the hook for an extra $82 trillion in health care obligations over the next 75 years.

The federal government has an additional $17 trillion unfunded gap in other obligations, including Social Security, bringing the total shortfall to $99 trillion.

That shortfall is different from existing debt. The federal government already owes $15 trillion in debt, including $5 trillion in funds borrowed during Obama’s term in office.

That $99 trillion in unfunded future expenses is more more than six years of wealth generated by the United States, which now produces just over $15 trillion of value per year.

The $99 trillion funding gap is equal to almost 30 years of the the current federal budget, which was $3.36 trillion for 2011.

Currently, the Social Security system faces $7 trillion shortfall between spending and taxes over the next 75 years, according to the Government Accountability Office.

Also, Medicare will is underfunded by $38 trillion, and Medicaid will consume another $20 trillion of the taxpayer’s wealth beyond what is budgeted, according to estimates prepared by the actuarial office at the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.

The short-term cost of the Obamacare law is $2.6 trillion, almost triple the $900 billion cost promised by Obama and his Democratic allies, said Sessions.

The extra $17 trillion gap was discovered by applying standard federal estimates and models to the law’s spending obligations, Sessions said.

For example, Session’s examination of the health care law’s “premium support” program shows a funding gap $12 billion wider that predicted.

The same review also showed the law added another $5 trillion in unfunded obligations for the Medicaid program.
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“President Obama told the American people that his health law would cost $900 billion over ten years and that it would not add ‘one dime’ to the debt… this health law adds an entirely new obligation—one we cannot pay for—and puts the entire financing of the United States government in jeopardy,” Sessions said in a floor speech.

“We don’t have the money… We have to reduce the [obligations] that we have.”

Rhodoman  4 stars
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Registered: 2001-6-14 21:02:19
AliHajiSheik posted:

How is health insurance interstate commerce, when an insurance company is regulated by each state?

Don't start injecting sense and/or logic into this, please.

Rho

 

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Ptilk  4 stars
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Posts: 2,359
Registered: 2002-2-13 14:52:58
It's not sense or logic.

Interstate commerce clause doesn't just govern commerce between states, it also governs commerce within a state if it impacts interstate movement of goods or services.

As in Kaiser is your insurance company and they are located in Wisconsin and you are in Texas.....interstate. But hey, even if you were in Wisconsin....the guy that reads your xrays is in California... interstate. But wait, you don't have a huge insurance company, you belong to a small medical group that is totally located in your state and they don't send anything out to be done, it's all in house (doesn't exist but let's make it up for the hell of it). You travel to another state to see grandma at Christmas and cut your finger, off to the emergency room, and your insurance covers you....interstate.

Should be interesting to see how Scalia rules on this, as he already ruled a number of times on interstate powers and came down on the side of the federal government having almost unlimited rights under it. That pot case in particular shows exactly how he thinks the constitution gives power to the Federal government to impose laws, restrictions, and requirement under the interstate commerce clause.

I fully expect him to come down against the government in this case, not because of logic, sense, or reason...but because of open political affiliation. If he rules against it in this case, it will be the first time he has ever done so, reversing his opinion on every prior attempt to limit the ability of the government to impose rules based upon the interstate commerce clause.

Oh, and all that nonsense about unfunded mandates and crap....is crap. Projections of finances 75 years into the future are ridiculous. Just 11 years ago they predicted we would have almost paid off the federal deficit by now, and would be having historic surpluses. No one in their right mind listens when some idiot spouts off about that crap, whether it agrees with their bias or not...it just makes you look stupid.

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