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Author Topic: Public Pension Ponzi Scheme : To Pay New York Pension Fund, Cities Borrow From It First. [Locked]
Brother_Tempus  3 stars
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Will any of these city administrators go to jail like Bernie Madoff??? Of course not, becuase it's not a crime when government does it.

The upside is that it will only ruin the lives of a group of government moochers

http://www.nytimes.c...first.html?_r=1

When New York State officials agreed to allow local governments to use an unusual borrowing plan to put off a portion of their pension obligations, fiscal watchdogs scoffed at the arrangement, calling it irresponsible and unwise.

And now, their fears are being realized: cities throughout the state, wealthy towns such as Southampton and East Hampton, counties like Nassau and Suffolk, and other public employers like the Westchester Medical Center and the New York Public Library are all managing their rising pension bills by borrowing from the very same $140 billion pension fund to which they owe money.

Across New York, state and local governments are borrowing $750 million this year to finance their contributions to the state pension system, and are likely to borrow at least $1 billion more over the next year. The number of municipalities and public institutions using this new borrowing mechanism to pay off their annual pension bills has tripled in a year.

Public pension funds around the country assume a certain rate of return every year and, despite the market gains over the last few years, are still straining to make up for steep investment losses incurred in the 2008 financial crisis, requiring governments to contribute more to keep pension systems afloat.

Nationwide, the cost of public retiree benefits has soared in recent years, and states including California, Connecticut and Illinois have been borrowing to pay, or even deferring, their pension bills. Many states are worse off than New York. New Jersey is still paying off bonds issued in 1997 to close a hole in its pension system.

But New York appears to be unusual in allowing public employers to borrow from the state’s pension system to finance their annual contributions to that system.

In Poughkeepsie, which is contributing $3.6 million into the state pension system this year and borrowing nearly $800,000, Mayor John C. Tkazyik, a Republican, said rising pension costs and new federal accounting requirements for retiree health coverage could have dire consequences.

“It could bankrupt the city,” Mr. Tkazyik said, adding that the city had cut its work force, to 367 from 418 employees, in four years as it struggled to compensate.

 

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the_great_ontex  3 stars
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An unsustainable system
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Brother_Tempus posted:

Will any of these city administrators go to jail like Bernie Madoff???

Looking for a date?

 

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Sin_of_Onin  4 stars
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Borrowing from a pension is better than underfunding it. They are both the same thing but underfunding it hides that act of borrowing and the lost income from investing the money is never accounted for.

States and towns should borrow so they can get future liabilities to fully funded status.

 

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Brother_Tempus  3 stars
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Sin_of_Onin posted:

Borrowing from a pension is better than underfunding it.



Borrowing results in underfunding

 

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Sin_of_Onin  4 stars
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Brother_Tempus posted:

Sin_of_Onin posted:

Borrowing from a pension is better than underfunding it.



Borrowing results in underfunding



No it doesn't. There wouldn't be any money to borrow if it wasn't funded.

States and towns borrow money fairly regularly and are known for paying it back. The biggest problem with this situation is if the state or town really isn't a good investment in the first place. if that is the case then it is still better than underfunding. If we are talking New York state then it is a safe investment with a bad rate of return. Considering how much money many pension funds lost with the crash it may be a smart choice.

 

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Kordirn posted:


 

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